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« on: August 04, 2011, 09:07:01 PM »


VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION (Pls read til the end Smiley) ENJOY!!

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to ...his Class on the Problem Science has

with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you Believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor: Is GOD Good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.

Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.

But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor: You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.

Is GOD Good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is Satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does Satan come from ?

Student : From . . . GOD . . .

Professor: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor: Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?

All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.

Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?

Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Professor: Yet you still Believe in HIM?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,

Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.

Professor: Yes,Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,

a Little Heat or No Heat.

But we don't have anything called Cold.

We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.

There is no such thing as Cold.

Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.

We cannot Measure Cold.

Heat is Energy.

Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir.

Darkness is the Absence of Something

You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .

But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it?

In reality, Darkness isn't.

If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.

You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.

You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.

Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.

It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that

Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.

Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and

Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,

Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?

Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,

Science says that You have No Brain, sir.

With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor: I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.

Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !

The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.

That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

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*****that student was Albert Einstein
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 09:15:43 PM »


Galing talaga ni Albert. He used science and logic to defend faith and God. Touchy topic.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 09:32:11 PM »


oo nga, he's my inspiration and my ultimate most quoted person. hehe

alam mo bang he was a drop-out? he flunked English... hahahaha
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 09:43:47 PM »


Oo nga. I read a joke regarding his grade school English paper. Ganito daw yung pagkakasulat:

"I vant to lif in Sveden where...." Cheesy

Naalala ko tuloy yung evolution vs. creation debate we had in another board.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 10:02:42 PM »


yan ang topic na walang nananalo, nagkakapikunan na lang...
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 10:07:55 PM »


Yep, someone got pissed at someone else there. That thread died a natural death.

Ilan beses na din yata itong na-feature at some point sa tv documentaries. Using science to explain some aspects of religion/faith. Kasi nga science e, so dapat there should be an explanation for everything daw.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 10:10:33 PM »


ewan ko, nagugulumihan na din ako. heheh

basta I believe in the existence of a higher order.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 10:13:07 PM »


Faith. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 10:13:57 PM »


exactly.... Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 06:19:58 AM »


*****that student was Albert Einstein

I see that the old nasty habit of Lying for God is alive and well Smiley
Old joke, but it got attributed to Albert Einstein.
For starters Albert Einstein was a JEW, not a Christian.

A true scientist will be an Agnostic, the existence of a "Higher Power" can not be proven or disproven.
"Religous" term for "lying" is called Pseudepigraph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigraph
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 10:53:21 AM »


nice story.. faith nga talaga,.. thats one of the few things na di dapat mawala sa atin

well.. i also have a story about a professor.. my grade school teacher told this story once
 its about a professor and a butler.. i dont know if its true though..

a professor was going around his country giving speeches to some institutions, colleges etc.
one day he mentioned to his butler that he was tired of giving speeches and all..
the next day..

butler: sir, i have an idea,.. ive heard you give your speech so many times that i already memorize all of it
            so why dont we switch places as you as my butler while i give the speech for you.. so you can just sit
           in the back and relax

professor: hmm.. why not?? lets do it in my next speech

when they arrive at some university they switch their clothes and the professor sat at the back of the room..
the butler gave a beautiful speech and even answered a few questions based on what the professor said in his past speeches then a high stature professor asked an extremely difficult question..
and without any hesitation the butler said:

" sir, the answer of that question is so simple that i can even let my butler who is sitting in the back answer it for you"

my teacher told me later that the professor was albert einstein.. i think i missed a few details here and there though..sorry about that.. and thats basically it.. ^^
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 12:21:51 PM »


^ Oh yes I recall a joke like that, too. but forgot who the professor was.

Old joke, but it got attributed to Albert Einstein.


Oh. So who really was the student?
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 01:40:45 PM »


@Herptile
There was no student.

It is a version of Pseudepigraphy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigraphy
Basically make up works, or find other works and then attribute it to a person of importance.

If you read the bible.
You notice that with the book of Romans and other books written by Paul.
There are some books that are much different.
They are forgeries.

There is nothing wrong with Faith.
Faith in God, a higher power, etc.

But I do have a problem when people make up stories or lie to try and convert other people to their faith.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 01:41:33 PM »


Oh and just so people do not say I am picking on Christianity.
Every other religious group "lies" to get converts.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 01:54:15 PM »


I see. So attributing it to a person of importance or one held in high regard will make such a thing credible or even infallible.

Don't worry, there's no shoving of beliefs down anyone's throat here. Nothing wrong with having faith at all. People will believe who and what they will. If you take away the religious aspect, it's a good example of how a higher authoritative figure was humbled by someone considered to be lower and less smart. Smiley

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