HEALTHY ARGUMENT..TO BE OR NOT TO BE..

[halikniHUDAZ]

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i try to post this in this this thread http://www.pinoyloveforum.com/index.php/topic,6605.msg126351.html#new but the TS already locked it..so

guys..if you want to butt in or share your thoughts about cheating and third party..lets try to have a discussion about it..i was just inspired since by

DocEDD discussing different point of views..

Now that is the difference between me and you. You want to give in because "its human nature" you view humans as animals who has no freewill. I say no, I view them as humans who has freewill, who has the choice to choose not to cheat and the has the freewill to avoid cheating, that's why people cheat because of what you believe.

I'm not some stupid shmuck who is being controlled by biology, giving in to instincts just because "it's human nature" what an absurd belief. I am a human being, I have a choice, I have the power to hold my destiny, not destiny holding it for me. So I have the power to choose not to cheat. I'm married and do you think I never crossed that part in my life? I have but I never gave in. Why? [Because I have the power to choose, I don't let biology dictate to me what I want to do or not do, if I do give in, I'm not a human being but an animal bent only on instincts. 

JudasBlood15 you've got a lot to learn my friend, you're not married like me so you have no idea how real cheating feels like. Living in and things like that? That's child's play, I've seen worse cheating.

i dont think you're understanding me doc.. ..or even the context of my message.. ..oh well..what is there to expect.. ..

anyway seriously doc, hihimayin ko lang for the sake of discussion..human nature is not a science thing..human nature is known as a

human's freewill that will depend on how an individual's perspective affect the decision he makes in life..and yes i do believe that humans are

animals..infact they are the most rational animals there is.. ..i bet you know what i mean by RATIONAL ANIMALS right..?they are

animals who thinks, animals with higher logic..

now if i were you doc i'll never underestimate what human nature does..cause that's the basis of who we are..the core of human

values even culture..that's the one you are saying absurd yet you base your opinion and statement on human nature itself.. ..pardon

me..but i totally find it ironic..aren't you..?and do you know each one of us have different human nature..?

now about science and biology..let me take the ownership of that stupid shmuck..(since i feel liking it..)..actually its not biology..but since

you want to discuss it in scientific way..i'll give it a shot.. ..it is called ANTHROPOLOGY..based on anthropology males are dominant and

and in most culture male proves their dominance in having multiple partners..which is all proven in Ancient History..and even ROMANS who

spread CATHOLICISM will be guilty about having multiple partners..and their basis and reason of why they are having multiple partners is to

compensate affection, to prove masculinity, and to obtain more territory..now since MORALITY and RELIGIONS sprung out of history who

detest and claims that having multiple partners is forbidden..so then it was adopted by the majority..in modern times which is now..majority is

now considered as society..which dictates the norms and standards..but then a person has an individual thought which confirms his/her own

standards..plus nurturing of both emotional and intellectual knowledge..the result is the REFINED HUMAN NATURE..where in it includes

once MORALE, DECISION MAKING, and EMOTION..i hope i explained it well..

the only thing that i agree with you is i got a lot to learn..like a socrates once said.."there's one thing i know..and that is i know nothing.."

oh and by the way one final quote from you..you said "I HAVE A POWER TO CHOOSE NOT TO CHEAT.."simply admits that you are still

following your instincts..your instincts it wrong and it is not on your human nature to do so.. ..ironic isn't..?

[ryan_philippines]

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hmmmmm...seems this is the continuition of ur conversation with DocEdd

[halikniHUDAZ]

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hmmmmm...seems this is the continuition of ur conversation with DocEdd

yup it is.. ..i love exchanging of ideas..it inspires me..

[ryan_philippines]

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great! dami akong natututunan sa usapan nyo..hehehhe..i will standby reading ur talks with each other.....

[halikniHUDAZ]

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great! dami akong natututunan sa usapan nyo..hehehhe..i will standby reading ur talks with each other.....

im still waiting for his reply..parang for the sake of exchanging ideas..

[DocEdd]

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This advice is going to JudasBlood15 and I want to be clear to myself, the reason why I want Ryan not to cheat because the one who suffers the most in a marriage is the kid. I'm not trying to save the parent's lives but the child. It is them [children] that ultimately suffers in the end because of their parent's wrong descision.

Remember this JudasBlood15 when you get married, you follow your type of argument you destroy two lives, your wife's and your child. The one who suffers the most is the child. One false decision and I do mean one, would spill ultimate disaster.

Don't play marriage as one that you can still exercise your "bachelor" lifestyle my friend, you're playing with forces beyond your understanding that one mistake you make with a woman would mean a lifetime of damage so don't give advices to people just because you "feel" like it. Think it through very carefully especially when you're dealing with married people, if they fail, you've destroyed their lives.

I'm not joking, when I give advice to married couples, I'm dead serious. Why? This is not a game, this is not something you can fix just by reading it on some book or watching it on TV. This is real life my friend, your dealing with real problems, not childish things. So don't play around with these situations. You mess up with one married life, and you end up destroying a lot instead of helping.

As for Ryan, good, I hope you can keep it up. That means you're getting stronger. 

[DocEdd]

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As for your argument, I don't have to argue with you. You're not married and you don't a have kid. End of story, so you don't know how it feels to have a family in this world. You don't know how beautiful to have a wife and kid in this world.

Why in the hell would I even bother to understand you?

I have spent a lot of years on people who are far wiser than what you just said. Far intelligent, far more experienced than you. Ask any doctor if your advice is even "logical." I'd bet they'll say the same thing.

This is not something you can argue about bullshit science and religion, this is wisdom my friend. What you're doing is child's play. I'm 48, why would I argue with a kid? 

[Thitoh BhoY]

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gusto kong sumawsaw..aantayin ko lang ang permiso ni hudas

[pastor paradox]

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A valid question JudasBlood15
Notice DocEd's response. (In many cases his advice is legit and very good advice)
His primary defense is
"Ask any doctor if your advice is even "logical." - I am a doctor don't question me
"this is wisdom my friend. What you're doing is child's play. I'm 48, why would I argue with a kid?" - I am older then you, don't question me.

Using the same argument, Einstein was wrong about the theory of relativity, and it should not have been even discussed, just thrown in the garbage.
Einstein was an uneducated patent clerk, how dare he question the great, much older scientists like Mach ?

A very pinoy attitude.
And this is why you have
"Philippines slips in innovation list"
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=TopStory&title=Philippines-slips-in-innovation-list&id=35031
It is quite amazing actually.
Filipinos are smart, majority of them speak english, they are more likely to finish college or university.
But they always defer to authority, whether it is the church, retarded grandpa who is senile etc.

I see it every fucking day.
That is why foreigners come to the Philippines, be it Indians,Chinese etc.
And they can make businesses run well, despite the prejudice of the established Filipinos.

Argue a point on "merit" not "I am a doctor".

Here is how doctors literally killed patients, because they did not believe you should wash your hands before examining patients.
Even when shown the evidence, for 20+ years the denied it.
I am a doctor, don't question me. Millions literally died from that.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blantisceptics.htm

[DocEdd]

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You Atheists are a piece of work aren't you? You think eveything is about your beliefs. We're dealing with people's lives here, real problems with real situations. I don't care if I'm a doctor or not, the point is I give a damn about these people. I want to help them.

Doesn't matter what I believe or not believe, what matters is helping people. This is not something you can solve by debating about religion or your beliefs. This is not about debunking any beliefs, this is about helping people. This is about telling the truth about love.

My god we're dealing with people's lives and you want to discuss childish discussions like "beliefs"? How insecure are you?

[halikniHUDAZ]

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This advice is going to JudasBlood15 and I want to be clear to myself, the reason why I want Ryan not to cheat because the one who suffers the most in a marriage is the kid. I'm not trying to save the parent's lives but the child. It is them [children] that ultimately suffers in the end because of their parent's wrong descision.

Remember this JudasBlood15 when you get married, you follow your type of argument you destroy two lives, your wife's and your child. The one who suffers the most is the child. One false decision and I do mean one, would spill ultimate disaster.

Don't play marriage as one that you can still exercise your "bachelor" lifestyle my friend, you're playing with forces beyond your understanding that one mistake you make with a woman would mean a lifetime of damage so don't give advices to people just because you "feel" like it. Think it through very carefully especially when you're dealing with married people, if they fail, you've destroyed their lives.

I'm not joking, when I give advice to married couples, I'm dead serious. Why?This is not a game, this is not something you can fix just by reading it on some book or watching it on TV. This is real life my friend, your dealing with real problems, not childish things. So don't play around with these situations. You mess up with one married life, and you end up destroying a lot instead of helping.

As for Ryan, good, I hope you can keep it up. That means you're getting stronger.  

..seriously i find it funny..not that im insulting someone when i said its funny..i do agree with the claim that the child will suffer

most..since i've been a child with a cheating father way back..but dont get me wrong doc..like i what i said i understand where you coming

from..about your advised with ryan..and trust me when i said i do..

thing is doc, when i give advices..all i do is let the person choose base on his instincts and his own nature..and im not playing..i'm letting the

person choose on his own freewill.. ..but then that person must know the consequences that may happen..which i find effective

through the years..about this case people will always see through the perspective of moral reasoning or society's definition of what is right

and what is wrong.. ..which i find so obvious..and since i dont live fully by what the society lives for..i provide alternate options..and

its up for the person to decide..after all he asked for only advise and did not ask me to decide for him/her..am i right then..?


once a relationship is broken it can never be fixed..there is no such thing as clean slate doc..in psychology self realization of ethics and moral

of one individual is more helpful than invading an individual's thought in decision making..now i did not take any major nor studies of it and im

not even a doctor per se..but its much easier for the mass people to understand what i am trying imply..


now i did not say practice a "bachelor" lifestyle when you're already married..all i stated was you could fall in love with someone else..but

then again i detest the idea of having a relationship within the marriage..about SEXTRACURRICULAR activities within marriage..I said yes it

would be possible..just know the boundaries your into..now im not justifying cheating but this commonly happen out in the open..having sex

does not really require emotional attachment..correct my thinking as long as you provide your family's needs and simple prioritize your family

then for me you know the boundaries..

now moving forward on the next post..

1. As for your argument, I don't have to argue with you. You're not married and you don't a have kid.End of story, so you don't know how it feels to have a family in this world. You don't know how beautiful to have a wife and kid in this world.

2. Why in the hell would I even bother to understand you?

3. I have spent a lot of years on people who are far wiser than what you just said. Far intelligent, far more experienced than you. Ask any doctor if your advice is even "logical." I'd bet they'll say the same thing.

4. This is not something you can argue about bullshit science and religion, this is wisdom my friend. What you're doing is child's play. I'm 48, why would I argue with a kid?  

mahihirapan akong sgutan kapag wlang number.. ..since you then trying to hit me personally..i'll answer you with the words of true

gentleman since i dont have to use profanity..

1. how could you be sure that i dont have a kid or kids and that i dont have a family..? ..and why jump to such conclusion..i do admit

i dont have a wife nor a partner..but still it does not conclude to the fact that i dont have a kid or maybe kids..

2. hmm..actually you dont have to understand me..but it simply means that your understanding is enclosed in a four cornered walls..where in

you can simply tell people they are wrong yet you get easily piss off when someone told you were wrong..AMAZING..

3. doc..don't you know that it is always unethical to compare an individual's intellect..since we have different level of intellect..and deciding

thru logic is simply answering in two variable option yes and no..but if they have the same thinking as you have then maybe my reasoning will

be not logical..

4. let me tell you something doc..wisdom does not depends on age..it is not based on what is right and what is wrong alone..wisdom comes

in from a  mind who sees both and decides for what he believes is true..argue with a kid..?!;D ..look in proving absolute righteousness

there is no gender ..there is no age..no rich or poor..we are all equal..and besides what should you afraid..?its not like im threatening your

belief..

i will ask apology in advance doc..i dont want to brag but it seems like an old alpha male who is threatened with my belief.. ..

[halikniHUDAZ]

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A valid question JudasBlood15
Notice DocEd's response. (In many cases his advice is legit and very good advice)
His primary defense is
"Ask any doctor if your advice is even "logical." - I am a doctor don't question me
"this is wisdom my friend. What you're doing is child's play. I'm 48, why would I argue with a kid?" - I am older then you, don't question me.

Using the same argument, Einstein was wrong about the theory of relativity, and it should not have been even discussed, just thrown in the garbage.
Einstein was an uneducated patent clerk, how dare he question the great, much older scientists like Mach ?

A very pinoy attitude.
And this is why you have
"Philippines slips in innovation list"
http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=TopStory&title=Philippines-slips-in-innovation-list&id=35031
It is quite amazing actually.
Filipinos are smart, majority of them speak english, they are more likely to finish college or university.
But they always defer to authority, whether it is the church, retarded grandpa who is senile etc.

I see it every fucking day.
That is why foreigners come to the Philippines, be it Indians,Chinese etc.
And they can make businesses run well, despite the prejudice of the established Filipinos.

Argue a point on "merit" not "I am a doctor".

Here is how doctors literally killed patients, because they did not believe you should wash your hands before examining patients.
Even when shown the evidence, for 20+ years the denied it.
I am a doctor, don't question me. Millions literally died from that.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blantisceptics.htm

mr_paradox>i dont actually get your comment..but it somehow make me laugh.. ..

[pastor paradox]

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You Atheists are a piece of work aren't you? You think eveything is about your beliefs. We're dealing with people's lives here, real problems with real situations. I don't care if I'm a doctor or not, the point is I give a damn about these people. I want to help them.

You are sincere and do want to help people Doc.
You are correct that everything is about "beliefs".
The need to believe to built into the human being.
"Belief" can be totally detached from "religion".

I will give you an example of an erroneous belief.
Einstein was a brilliant man.
Einstein knew a lot about physics.
Therefore Einstein should know a lot about aerodynamics of aircraft wings.
You can find out how well Einstein's design of an airplane wing worked in WW1.

[DocEdd]

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Yeah sure wisdom does not come with age, sure whatever you want to say kid, that's what all kids say. I don't give a damn what you say or what you believe really, it all comes to what you can do and the results of what you did. You're not married so what wisdom can you possibly give that I don't even know about?

Paradox, I don't care what you say, no one cares what you say. Truth is your wife left you and that means something, that means you don't know anything about love and you're self centered.  

[ryan_philippines]

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yes Doc..i controled myself not to come to our group date..medyo mahirap nga kc i know anytime soon something will happen kung sasama ako date at baka pumayag cya pag niyaya ko kung saan.. heheh hirap din kc i think have feelings from her...and i want it to make love with her


to jud, naniniwala parin ako sa sinabi mo "thing is doc, when i give advices..all i do is let the person choose base on his instincts and his own nature.."